Since those wheelsets are level-locked at 35+, many Zwifters will not have access to them. Hi Eric, bit of a curve ball here have you ever thought of doing a story on the slowest bikes on Zwift? Or have i got this wrong? Choose flat routes. Events. Virtually all of the route badges are awarded after passing through a finish arch. However, Im surprised you havent done speed tests on a mixed route, (as well as the flat and all uphill routes). so, much sooner than lvl 29, surely. Would love your thoughts, please comment. How Zwift Works. What is the best bike for a round trip including a mountain? Eric can you clarify the status of Cervelo S5 because in the list it is #3 but the Changelog says it was removed because of an overweight groupset bug. What I miss are the bike recommendations that earlier were part of the detailled descriptions. Hi Eric, the overweight groupset bug was fixed, right? Why Zwift. Tacx Neo. The Tron is an always aero position on bike, it doesnt gain much in draft and cant climb well. Uninstall and reinstall the Zwift app. According to Cervelo, "The PX-Series is faster and more aerodynamic than any other triathlon bike we have tested." That seems to almost apply in Zwift as well, where the PX-Series is quite slippery. But choosing your bike for your group ride matters, sure! ), did you test them yet ? If you are interested, feel free to check it out: https://pursuitcyclingforkids.com/2021/08/24/buffalo-bike-vs-cannondale-evo-alpe-test/. Here are a few things to consider when choosing a bike for Zwift: 1. You need to climb the height of Everest (roughly 8800 metres) and then an extra 42,000. Changing your weight by 10 kilo wont change that since your weight would still be constant just lower. Zwift is virtual training for running and cycling. Because its frame only. Do you have any concrete evidence that the Tron doesnt draft well? Its my 2nd attempt on this route. The S-Works is 11s slower up the Alpe, and the same speed as the pro on the flats. Tarmac Pro + milsteins? Would you be willing to do a comparison on Sand & Sequoias, which is representativeRead more . Do you prioritize aero there as well, even if the sprint is uphill and the whole course is a lot of up and down? 5. Im tired thinking of it! This article didnt help me at all since Im only Level 15, but the article from 2019 regarding bikes for climbing gave me some good options. Didnt get a badge. https://zwiftinsider.com/fastest-bike-alpe/, https://zwiftinsider.com/points-levels-unlocks/, https://zwiftinsider.com/speed-tests-feb-22/, The Power Costs of Different Wheels and Surfaces in Zwift, Chasing Cancellara Stage 2 Time Trials: March 3-5, Zwift Course Calendar Current Guest World Schedule, Sep 24, 2021: made various small changes thanks to. and in that respect the S5 2020 is definitely the better bike than the Uranium Nuclear, because it LOOKS faster, Cmon Eric Im sure youve got enough time on your hands to produce a fastest bike/wheelset for every route on zwift? if you go back to the bottom of comments on the under level 15 report you will now find I have written a more detailed account for Cathy who had a similar question to your own. Time to climb? We hope all you riders/racers found this post useful. Matrix ICR50. So based on the above the DT Swiss are #2 as they are a second faster on the flat and the Zipps are #3 as they are better on the climb, and this article is about fastest. iOS and Android compatible. At that point I would have 16 AdZ climbs and only 9 more for the masochist badge. Any aero bike with 858/808/ENVE 8.9 will sprint faster the Tron. For example, the Tron bike is a very strong (top) all rounder. When freeriding you will spawn just before the desert start pens, giving us a lead-in of approximately 2.5km before the sprint finish line. 568,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 10+, The new Aeroad is one of the most aero frames in game, and its a strong climber as well. The sawtoothed Zipp 454s turn in a solid second-place performance behind the 808s on flat/rolling routes, but they also climb much better than the 808s, so you might pick them up if you want a slightly lighter rig for mixed courses. Post below! Some of these comments are 1 year, or more, old. Why is there no colnago Frame in the Game? 888,042 Attempts By 305,615 People. Read more about this frame >, Cervelo S5: 603,500 Drops to purchase, must be Level 25+. So I am still slumming it with the Canyon Speedmax CF SLX Disc, which Zwift Insider claims as the fastest TT frame, and Zipp 808/Super9 wheels, the 2nd fastest wheelset. Jun 27, 2022: updated the overall post and added back the Cervelo S5 2020 and Canyon Aeroad 2021. I dont see it in my drop shop but I do see the DT Swiss 62 in for level 6. Yep, Id love to see that too, as it is I dont see the tron draft any different to the bikes mentioned. Ducati's factory team in the Australian Superbike Championship has long held a youth policy within its operations. Additionally, routes with key climbs over a couple of minutes long (think Watopias Volcano or Londons Box Hill) may lend themselves well to an all-arounder as opposed to a straight aero performer. The Chris Pritchard Show 45K views 2 years. Your pedalling on a trainer drives your avatar around a virtual course. Makes absolutely NO SINCE. With the release of in game Route Badge Achievements we decided to model every available route. Tron isnt in my garage yet. They beat the next-ranked wheels by 7 seconds in our ~50 minute flat test, and thats a big margin! If youre racing on Zwift, upgrading your frame and wheels can cut some significant time off your efforts. I am rather new on Zwift, a level 14. The frames above are separated by just 2.5 seconds on our ~50-minute flat test on the Tempus Fugit route at 300 watts with a 75kg rider. Stage two would reverse that order, beginning with a 1km mass start run before a 4km bike and a 200m swim. Zipp 454: 284,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 24+. If you've seen the TurboCyclist Ultimate Guide to Zwift and Indoor Cycling, you might have noticed Tip Number 18. But what if youre past level 15, yet not in the very highest levels? Testing the new frames now. The sprint times between 454 on these bikes are comparable to the Tron. Trusted by the pros. ZIPP 202, 404, 454, 808 We dont always revise posts when performance rankings change, but we do keep current, master versions of our speed test results which are always available. on December 12, 2019. We've modeled the Dust in the Wind route using the typical standard bike characteristics from Zwift along with rolling resistance data supplied by ( Zwift Insider ). Hope that helps. Thanks. 9. This is Thanks. 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Both climbs and descending on the alpes. The Canyon Ultimate, Cervelo S5 and the Scott Addict RC. How so? Box/Fox or Leith/Keith Hills in London Also added the Pinarello Dogma F and Chapter2 TOA, and removed the Cannondale SystemSix and Specialized Venge since they are the slowest on the list and weve got to keep the list short. It doesnt make the cut? Post below! ZWIFT - ALL TIME FASTEST ROAD BIKES TESTED! The 808s have long been a favorite among Zwift racers, for good reason: they are significantly faster than any other wheelsets available to lower-level Zwifters. s-works venge, cervelo beats tron when paired with disc combo (lvl35+). So it actually takes longer to go from 20 to 30 than from 0 to 20, especially if you do a lot of badge hunting early on. Is the DT Swiss ARC 62 for level 27+ a typo? One question every rider should ask as they head into a Zwift race is: which frameset is should I use on this route? Not sure what there is to test unless its less steep and then aerodynamics come into play which theyve tested as well. Got questions or comments? I went to the drop shop to buy some Zipp 808s and they are not listed. Men-only - remember why it feels numb. sitting in the draft on a lightweight non-aero frame but getting a benefit on the climbs vs pushing on the front on an aero frame but having a weight penalty on the climbs? Also if the 51mm medium depth wheels is a negative compared to RSL62s or positive as a more all round bike. Share Your Thoughts We hope you found this post useful. This is the information that is easy to digest and allieviates drop purchase remorse. Is there a fastest TT bikes at each level also? I am working on my Route spreadsheet and notice that the Zwift route information now differs (in some cases substantially) from what I had previously and what you now show. Triathlon bikes are designed for speed and are commonly used in triathlons. Why are they stated the wrong way round. One thing that helped a bit is going up the reverse epic KOM for workouts. The 454s are actually ranked at the top in terms of all-arounders, tied with the DT Swiss ARC 62. Until you can access the 858/Super9 wheels arent all other frame/wheel combos will be slower than tron? Hit the circle on the Zwift Companion app map. The new course descriptions are amazing. Thanks for your awesome resource here. Keep up the great work and thanks. This is the R-O bomb button that gives the five nearest riders R-O's. Go into the nearby Zwifter list in ZC and select the target rider and the push the R-O button on their profile. It outclimbs the Cervelo, but isnt faster (more aero). Hi Eric, Times above based on our flat speed tests, done with a solo 75kg rider at 300 watts over two laps of Watopias very flat Tempus Fugit route. Regarding the Uranium Nuclear. Zwift - Out And Back Again in Watopia https://thebikecrank.com/2023/02/22/zwift-out-and-back-again/ Distance 32.1 mi Elev Gain 1,178 ft Time 1h 44m 0:15 6 kudos The bike - Trek Madone 6.9 Uncategorized Zwift thebikecrank Just a guy that loves to ride his bicycle View all posts by thebikecrank document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Have you ever experimented with rider weight to see if it makes any difference to the bike and wheelset performance?.as a 110kg rider i need all the help i can get going up them hills! I think Id consider it a climbing course if it includes: Reshuffled the deck based on our latest speed tests. I continued my ride. Here are some great bum-saving indoor cycling and Zwift tips and knowhow. Smash your goals and compete with others around the world. I am a big fan of the Tron on rolling routesI worked hard to earn it, so I am willing to give up a second or two to ride it. The Tron is much faster than anything else on the list, which makes bike choice for Zwifters level 30 and below easy. Raise and lower the desktop . AndZwifts Drop Shop gives us access to a pile of frames: 100+ if you include the Tron, TT, Gravel, and mountain bikes! This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Zwift is an online, interactive training and racing platform. Jun 6, 2019: added the new Felt AR as #4. Swift Zwift Tip: The New Fastest Bike on the DIRT! You might want to use an MTB or gravel bike then, those are significantly slower (unless you ride into some dirt roads). The Cervelo S5 matches the Trek Madones flat test time, but outclimbs it by 2 seconds, so we give it the edge here. Is this common on zwift? Oct 23, 2020: moved Aeroad 2021 down to 4th slot, after ZHQ made it a bit heavier. However, I think while picking 300 watts and 75kg is a nice round number, it is a figure that I think is only attainable by the top 5% of Zwifters. The Tron is much faster than anything else on the list, which makes bike choice for Zwifters level 30 and below easy. Ah no wonder the aeroroad took a hit Felt off the other day, Only thing I hate about the tron bike is there is no standing animation for it , Sure splitting hairs but still Looks like Ill switch the tron bike back in for the flats as I have the disc wheels but not the disco ball versions as I only lvl 36. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Why Zwift. I had that happen on a route, and it turned out I already had the badge. Hey Eric Im keen to know if youre planning on arranging any more badge/route collecting rides I need to nail the ber pretzel still!! Tarmac Pro + Meilensteins, yes. Fignon finished the course with his fastest ever TT - but with a time of 27m 55s, he was 58 seconds slower than LeMond. WHo is the best for mixed routes ? How is that possible for an article that was just published? As stated above, the next-fastest combination (Cervelo S5 2020 with Zipp 808s) is 6.5 seconds slower than the Tron bike in our ~50 minute test. See how you can support Zwift Insider! The bikes would all be a bit further apart though in terms of time. Yes, youll still get credit for Strava segments, and in game segments, including route badges, KOMs, etc. The line above what about climbing still says the Cervelo S5 2020 is the fastest frame. Hi Eric, We've modeled the Out and Back Again route using the typical standard bike characteristics from Zwift along with rolling resistance data supplied by ( Zwift Insider ). Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy Looks like the Canyon Aeroad 2021 is currently level locked at 23. The TOA turns in the same flat test time as the Dogma F, but is 4 seconds slower up the Alpe, so we ranked it lower. Higher weight, slower times. Hi Eric! but I think you cant get it until level 34 . @Eric Schlange : Awesome article, as always! See Speed Tests: Tron Bike vs Top Performers (Scatter Plot) >. Love these equipment tests & comparisons Eric! As far as I understand tron bike Is faster than anyother bike used without the 858/super9. i remember the chart from ur website shows Pinarello Dogma F is faster tham vange Dis now, oh, Should the Uranium Nuclear be on this list? Check out our Frame Ranking Charts and Wheel Ranking Charts. Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy Would be mich appreciated. At the same wattage higher weight is slower up a climb. Hopefully this helps you select a bike for your next race, no matter your Zwift level. Yeah. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. The which bike frame or wheelset is fastest question isnt as easy to answer as you might think. The harder you pedal, the faster you go. arent the Zipp 858 worth mentioning when Disc wheels are not permitted ? They beat the next-ranked wheels (DT Swiss ARC 62) by 8 seconds in our ~50 minute flat test, and that's a big margin! Our test rider completes the route in approximately 50 minutes. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. iOS and Android compatible. I wouldnt ride it now, though. I thought the same as you, but after cross-referencing some other ZI articles, I see that the the Scott Addict RC is listed #14 fastest frame on flats, which would exclude it from this pages list. I did the Arena games, but im not in the list at the end First race i Was 2nd , second race i was 3rd. Any plans to retest the Cervelo S5 2020 after the bug fix? Specialized Venge S-Works: 798,800 Drops to purchase, must be Level 33+Felt AR: 639,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 34+. If you include the lead-in, the gravel percentage actually increases to ~55% of the course. Such useful data on your site Eric! There are other frames not far behind those you see above. ), 426,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 18+. Ive been think about fast frames/wheels, particularly in regards to racing. Mathematically there would have to be some max climbing height over some distance that makes a climbing bike more efficient over the whole distance than an aero bike and viceRead more , I would say if the race finishes at the top of a climb (e.g. Soon it looks like I have choose between the Pin. If you havent got it, keep on climbing the Alpe . The big news in the build-up to the event was Lionel Sanders racing in his home country. Still something wrong with this route. This list is based on our latest speed tests using the Tempus Fugit route. Each piece of equipment has unique weight and aerodynamic (CdA) values, making them perform in ways that mirror outdoor physics. Use the Time Analysis Tool to adjust Drag (CdA), Average Power, Rider Weight and Rolling Resistance . Just one question: Why is Nuclear Uranium not on the list? am I losing my mind, or was the Scott the fastest draftable bike for awhile? Hey Eric, on a course like the Surrey Hills, with multiple medium climbs and descents, would a full aero set up have an advantage over the climbing bikes? He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. Not sure about flats though. This should be a popular race route given its length and mostly-flat profile punctuated by two distinct climb sections. so wheel choice now has 4x the impact of frame choice hmmmMMMmmm, I got my fat a$$ up the hills for the Tronso I am riding it untilforeveror until some other torment comes around for the Tron II, Super study as always. The real standout is the Uranium Nuclear, though, due to its low price and level lock. Fastest Wheelsets Total time savings of fastest frame and wheelset over stock Zwift setup (Zwift Carbon frame and 32mm wheels): 19+59.5=78.5 seconds Times above based on our flat speed tests, done with a solo 75kg rider at 300 watts over two laps of Watopia's very flat Tempus Fugit route. Thank for all the hard work that goes into them. So should be the same on Zwift So fastest race bikes may not be the aero ones that do well on constant-effort, non-group rides, Disagree as on flat weight be it slow to get going totally gets more momentum but for once going flats and weight is where a rock can fly , In Zwift times I raced with a lighter bike and lightweight wheels for the few climbs that were in the loop and I had to pedal much harder. As Season four of the Zwift Racing League approaches, we take a detailed look at the biggest virtual cycling league in the world Correct, it doesnt make the cut. 2. Basically, performance over rolling courses is the same as flat courses, because the lighter bikes dont have enough time on the climbs to pull back anything significant on the aero bikes. Potential for lightweight wheels, or more likely 250 extra XP. Wahoo Kickr. Are you updating Theis Child Page shortly? It is, however, attainable before reaching level 20, if you, We included the Zipp 858 wheels since theyre the fastest. the *only* bikes that are better than the Tron *have* to be equipped with the 858/Super 9s, and will be worse the 808/Super 9s]? Read more about it >, Venge: 461,500 Drops to purchase, must be Level 18+. Where would you place the Ridley Noah fast? To get the badge you have to keep cycling until the banner appears on your screen. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Try free for 7 days. Length: 39.8 km (24.7 miles)Elevation: 303 m (994)Lead-In: 2.4 km (1.5 miles)Map: Watopia. 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