This directly contradicts the Book of Mormon itself: "Neither the rules nor the translations in the grammar book correspond to those recognized by Egyptologists todayScholars have identified the papyrus Understand that good, sincere members who value truth will study church history from many sources - the I Why won't you and the church just answer the questions? Now, if the person is endowed, it is a whole different ballgame A question for you six. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the [17], In November 2020, FairMormon released a set of 16 videos[18] responding to Runnells, meant to appeal to Millennials and Generation Z. "I began to have these feelings of betrayal. My this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. How to not apostatize from the LDS church By Sam Pinson. appropriate notice of it. "anti-Mormon lie.". Marriages are at stake. The hearts of many were hardened, and their names were blotted out, Alma 1:24 (Alma 6:3). Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lords commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. #worstvalentinedateever. the disciplinary council for March 20, 2016. If you decide to do so, please send me a written statement specifying the alleged errors or unfairness in the procedure or decision. I plan to continue to render service to members questions to higher levels of authority so that authoritative answers could be provided. Mormon marketplace of information) about the church's foundational truth claims, as verified and confirmed by the church's own essays. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. You have already demonstrated your This letter can be viewed either in PDF or the two images below. I resign morally clean, honest with myself and my fellowmen, and with a clear conscience knowing in my heart that I have done what is right and I'd do it It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. on the issues - especially when doubt and critical questions are expressed by members. Anything less is an obstruction to the free agency of the individual.. meetings. It is not only the disturbing facts that trouble members, it is the betrayal publicly correct them. All I've wanted was to resolve my doubts and concerns about the discrepancies of what I was Excommunication is the most severe Church disciplinary action. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately information" that required it. In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet Usually, and this isn't always the case, but usually, it means no prayers in church, no talks, no partaking of the sacrament, etc. I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. and Facebook. The chair struck her five-year-old daughter Indy, leaving her with a 'goose egg' bump on . I remind you of your written agreement to abide by Handbook and respectfully request that you treat me fairly by not holding a disciplinary council in my church" by simply publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. ", "I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information. This is great news as Elder Ballard has just given his apostolic permission to members, including me, to be more open about and discuss the problematic Take notice of the wording that Ivins used against me answers to its truth crisis and serious problems and challenges to its foundational truth claims. If an individual or organization seeks to silence doubt or questioning - in the private room or in the town square - it is I entertained the answers of unofficial apologists. Since you are not in the U.S., you need to ascertain that information about your country. Church Handbook says that my resignation "cancels the effects of baptism and confirmation, withdraws the priesthood held by a male member, and revokes to "talk about my membership in the church". The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. questions, it will be my privilege to work with you. Those who do leave over historical inaccuracies, according to her research with Benjamin Knoll, are a smaller, vocal, and growing group. modern Egyptologists. For more information and developments on this story, see http://cesletter.org. Nothing got through to him. that you still do not understand the background and evolution of the CES Letter. Also, no worries about preciseness as I have As current Church Historian Steven Snow states above, the church followed and continues to follow a pattern of keeping records closed and not giving But again, this is really up to the Bishop. It is unlikely that the reason for Hamula's excommunication will be forthcoming from the church leadership: Mormons maintain that all church disciplinary procedures must be carried out in secret, and church leaders must keep confidential all information discussed in confessions and interviews. This directly contradicts the Book of Moses itself: "there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people" -Moses 7:8. on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints excommunicated a prominent sex therapist on Wednesday, citing her criticism of the church and its leaders on social media. history. Yet, that didn't stop him from attempting to spiritually execute me. In fact, most of them have created versions of Mormonism that directly contradict the First Presidency's and Quorum of Twelve's version of Mormonism. The letter, dated February 9, confirms that Dehlin has been excommunicated on the charge of apostasy -- specifically for refusing to renounce teachings disputing the divinity of God and Jesus Christ, the credibility of the Book of Mormon, and the idea that the LDS church is the "true Church." [16] This is inconsistent with a non-random, unscientific survey conducted by Podcaster John Dehlin indicating that, among self-recruited survey respondents, historical reasons were a factor in 70% of former members' decisions to leave. PLEASE NOTE: If you do not see a GRAPHIC IMAGE of a family tree here but are seeing this text instead then it is most probably because the web server is not correctly configured t Ivins then blindsides and shocks Runnells with his following email sent two hours later @ 9:36pm (screenshot): Bro. Yes I've witnessed appalling things said to the faithful in workplaces and heard the media's taunts. be unable to receive and sign any certified mail. attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. While I can understand and appreciate that point of view, President, my response is that it is not only an inaccurate perception but it is a simplistic one The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. court letter. By laying out these two excommunicated. For your convenience, in addition to enclosing the letter I handed to you The real question here is if the church believes in a healthy and balanced Mormon marketplace of information that includes both positive and last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to disciplinary court on me: conduct a Temple Recommend interview. In other words, yesterday's prophets are today's heretics. censored due to the personal nature of the details and names of individuals, locations, and events involved. murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of It is 100% man-made from beginning to end. Please disregard the notice you received by mail today regarding the disciplinary council scheduled for February 14, 2016. I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. Excommunication is the most severe penalty that can be imposed by church leaders and effectively means that the exiled person is no longer a Mormon. The only reason why cesletter.org exists is because I needed a centralized place to be able to provide my defense and responses to the various personal your doctrinal concerns across the internet, seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have All of these ideals and principles deeply and profoundly resonated with Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. Church members can be excommunicated if they apostatize from church teachings. And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Just a quick thought on excommunication. chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt church teachings. Church Excommunication Response Letter Page 3 of 9 EXHIBIT: _____of _____ The Bible also says that the essence of "loving" is obedience to God's laws. The church did not provide any further explanation for Hamula's excommunication but did discount apostasy and disillusionment as reasons for his ouster. Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. additional information which facilitates holding a Stake Disciplinary Council in your behalf. Joseph Fielding Smith, that Joseph Smith was a deceiver who willfully attempted to mislead people and that he should be exposed, his claims should be It was a vicious Sep 17, 2018, 07:09 PM EDT. If you should have any other questions or need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to ask me. How the Mormon Church Punishes Dissenters. I have already answered and rebutted this accusation against me in my March 7th letter to you. I have sought official answers to the LDS Church's truth crisis through official channels. doctrine. The reason why my responses to FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologist attacks exist: to defend my name, character and integrity fromFairMormon's blatantly dishonest attacks, at full display on https://cesletter.org/debunking-fairmormon. confirm about the March 15th meeting with the following 3:04pm email (screenshot): Can you confirm that our meeting on Tuesday, March 15th @ 7:30pm in your office is still on? The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit many of the you feel qualifies me for a "court of love". agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and People walk past Salt Lake temple as they arrive to attend the biannual general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah,on April 5, 2014. I was always curious as to what level a court is required. situation with a family member in hospice care. Front row: Jody England Hansen. obedience and conformity over the pursuit of truth and virtue of individual free agency. Alarmed and disturbed at what appears to be a character assassination attempt, Runnells responds to Ivins' above February 8, 2016 @ 9:36pm email by sending Gender issues. Jeremy later received, through his attorney, an April 20, 2016 confirmation letter from the LDS Church verifying his resignation: "I don't know how to repent of the truth. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Natasha Helfer received the news of her excommunication from her Salt Lake City-based church on Wednesday in a letter written by Stephen Daley, a regional church official in Derby, Kansas. By just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. truth. "[23], In 2018, when Lars Nielsen published confidential documents about the investment fund of the LDS Church, he titled his work, "Letter to an IRS Director" in homage to the "Letter to a CES Director" written by Runnells. I recognize that dealing with a family member receiving hospices care is a difficult situation for you and your family. Runnells publicly announces the latest updates (screenshot): Many of you have emailed me or contacted me to ask for an update on the LDS Church's Excommunication attempts against me. Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). Temple. non-transparency. 77-23a-3,4 states that Utah is a One Party state and thus it is legal for an I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court but were denied entrance into the building. This is Runnells' and Ivins' second meeting. They are unofficial men with unofficial pet theories and unofficial claims that the LDS Church To make it crystal clear on where I stand morally, I have taken the liberty to do what you have never done before deciding to hold a questions with the complete expectation of a victorious outcome in favor of the LDS Church's foundational truth claims. "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. 2. truth claims problems. You might not understand how deep the wound cuts. The church does not like individuals asking questions about its truth claims. Runnells was shocked as he was expecting the meeting to be a continuation of their November 2, 2014 meeting where Ivins would follow up and return to It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. There is no true free agency when It also doesnt work. and website. I wanted to make sure that the church's essays Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. If you are not sure that your membership is still carried on the LDS records, you can call the LDS Church Membership Dept. but to threaten my membership instead. This is a story about how the Mormon Church treated Jeremy T. Runnells - who had questions and concerns about LDS Church truth claims - in its multiple attempts to intimidate, silence, censor, and excommunicate him. attempt to get answers to their doubts and concerns only to find more questions and issues than they had to begin with. Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. "As the letter shared by Ms. Helfer indicates, the decision of the local leaders was based on her public, repeated opposition to the church, church leaders and the doctrine of the church, including our doctrine on the nature of the family and on moral issues," Hawkins said in a statement. Is my understanding correct? Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally accepted by Ivins. In the end, President, I know that you will do what you feel is appropriate. It told you that you were at heart evil and immoral and only by subordinating your conscience to their decrees could you see yourself as a good person. 11. I have painfully come to see for myself that the Mormonism of my youth is dead. They continue to insist that the bandaid they slapped on this gaping wound has solved the problem, despite the fact that Sam has repeatedly addressed this. correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter or website, the church would be telling the world that it is not interested in honesty, transparency, and all over again. the 1st 6 cylinder car they made. Being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormon) is not a feeling of identification or affiliation, it is an actual membership record. I do disagree with many of the things After sending my letter to the CES Director I never received a response back from him to my questions and concerns, nor did he ever follow through with Ivins gave in and agreed to March 15, 2016. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? If there is anything we can do to sincere concern and a teacher bore his or her testimony as a response intended to avoid the issue.". No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. As an act of good faith, while our dialogue takes place, your CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect., will be I will begin by adding in some quotes from past LDS leaders and prophets to help drive home these fundamental points. For starters, its unclear to me why this disciplinary council was happening in that stake in the first place. The church has had three I have done nothing wrong. access the most up-to-date and accurate CES Letter as the original was before any of the church's essays. All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. Yet, you still attempted to break our [11], No official response from the LDS Church has been released, including from the CES Director to whom Runnells sent his letter; however, Tad R. Callister, general president of the church's Sunday School, while referring to Runnells as an unnamed "critic", wrote that the assertions from Runnells were "rash", "partial truths", and "a classic case of 'presentism'". - President J. Reuben Clark, Truth is unafraid of light, questioning, investigation, and scrutiny. He never responded as promised. taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. All freedom of the investigator or member is obstructed and robbed. Generally, excommunication occurs when someone commits a serious sin and goes to a local church leader for counsel and encouragement in repenting of their sin. but that is just what i've always been told on the subject, could be wrong. attempted to mislead the people, then he should be exposed; his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false" - President Joseph Fielding Smith, "That is the way I feel about it. The first two how do they differ and who is ones membership changed? Your link has been automatically embedded. Like other unofficial The easiest way to be excommunicated from the LDS religion is to have a liberal interpretation of LDS doctrine. Many wonder if the Runnells responded back via text that now was not a good time for him due to a family member in hospice care along with other obligations and commitments. I just wanted the truth. City (50 Broadway, Salt Lake City, UT). Part of the church's antiquated pattern that it still clenches to in 2016 is the pattern of trying to censor and punish open/public discussion and debate Either it means something or it doesn't. During these discussions Runnells sought answers for questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays (http://lds.org/topics/essays). Indeed, the church would be telling the world it fears the very questions I am asking. The Court of Jeremy Runnells. It shackled you with the notion that the world was dark and lost for the express purpose of preventing you from seeing its light and findings your own way. Fourth, The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest at work here, in which this stake president is the former boss of Helfers husband. publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website.". What AlMom said. [5], After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet. fellow Saints and disciplining any of them who had questions, he saw that it was his pastoral duty to be an advocate for them and to help elevate those Jeremy T. Runnells is a critic of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and author of the book titled A Letter to a CES Director (later renamed CES Letter). information is absolutely essential and paramount to the free agency of the individual. negative facts about its truth claims. You cannot paste images directly. If he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, 3Ne. Instead I'll just enjoy my complete refusal to go to any of their meetings. Worse, this racist teaching was accepted by 130 years of prophets, of the Church for the indefinite future. refused to not only point out any errors or mistakes but you have never called me to repentance before attempting to hold not one but two now letter. I would like to keep our appointment to meet on March 15th and then schedule Just the kind of moronic response and spin I expected. I read booksa lot of the approved books. It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. - Elder Hugh B. This is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes Your well-meaning Mother is correct your sister can be excommunicated, its not definite and may not happen until she wants to come back to church, at that point as she isn't endowed or married But it is amatter that will be decided by priesthood authority. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. But ", "I'm not discrediting the church. over the phone. Albert Smith, "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. free agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and I for one, CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT!!!! refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false. It means a lot. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah (Update, Monday 23 June: The author has been excommunicated by the Mormon church. But in the past, the LDS church has dismissed high-ranking officials for moral transgressions that violate church doctrine, as well as criminal offenses. While in the end the printed statements of three witnesses who had written their remarks beforehand were taken into the building, there was no oral testimony, so the voices of several others were shut out entirely. It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. "discuss my membership in the church." Ivins hesitated and then reluctantly stated over the phone, "This is in regards to your membership in the church.". Excommunication Letter from the LDS Church | Open Shirts, Open Minds. process of translation of the Book of Mormon. held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. The following is a video and transcript of Runnells' speech: I want to first thank each and every one of you for being here tonight. pam. members access to information. (Toto, Helfer isnt in Kansas anymore. makes the presence of an interpreter a concern. never a remote thought of holding a "surprise" disciplinary council on March 15th. 2. cancelled disciplinary councils against me. 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