Copyright 2018 NPR. You have the same judge that has the ability to rectify this offense particularly because this law is particularly steeped in racism, Hayes said. What do you think universities can do? Hayes, who is forty-six, won the 2010 National Book Award and is a professor at N.Y.U. Its the name people of color call/Themselves on weekends & the name colorful/People call their enemies & friends. Or, in the manner of a personals ad, to invite her closer: A brother versed in spiritual calisthenics/And cowboy quiet seeks funny, lonesome,/Speculative or eye-glassed lass. Alongside these gamelike poemsthere is a sonnet about Scrabbleare tributes to Emily Dickinson and Langston Hughes, an appreciation of James Baldwins face, and the first #MeToo-era elegy Ive ever read, working through the legacy of Derek Walcott. Part of my personality, certainly, is because Im black, and Im Southern, and Im male. gas. TH: What I think the university can do is bridge the things weve been discussing; it can bridge James Joyce and Future. There are formal and rhetorical puzzles in nearly every one of Hayess poems. Maybe its generational, too. Trumpet reinforces. In fact, you were a painter before you were a poet. TH: I feel limited as a painter. His 2010 collection, Lighthead, won the National Book Award for Poetry in 2010. The best stuff still hasnt happened. shelved 32,633 times. Her office is handling petitions for relief from Jackson and hundreds of others seeking retrials. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin, "Pittsburgh poet Terrance Hayes named MacArthur Fellow", "Briefing Books: Lauded poet Terrance Hayes heads to Pitt", The End of the Line: Terrance Hayes and Formal Innovation, "John Simom Guggenheim Memorial Foundation >2009 Fellow in Creative Arts - Poetry > Terrance Hayes Bio", "MacArthur Awards Go to 21 Diverse Fellows", "The Politics and Play of Terrance Hayes", "United States Artists Official Website Terrance Hayes", Profile and poems of Terrance Hayes, including audio files. Probably someone is prey in all of our encounters. by. Thats a nightmare for me. in their lockers & hustle to the windows to stare. Jackson was still in prison when he heard about the Supreme Court ruling. Im going to eat it the same. These cases returned to the county level, where district attorneys could decide whether to retry or take some other action. When Im at a conference thats full of formalists, they say, Oh, youre a formalist; if Im at an African-American retreat, people say, Yeah, youre an African-American poet. Im interested in form; Im interested in culture. JW: When you went to Coker College, you went for visual arts. These crisis conditions suit Hayes. Trump is a palpable undercurrent throughout the book, and occasionally Hayes addresses the President directly, calling him Mr. Hayes and Jackson have already served their decades in prison, but their felonies remain on their records a scarlet letter that continues to affect every aspect of their lives, even in freedom. I want us to enjoy a meal together, and I cant say its only for me, even though there is a part of meand this is what I like about Ashberythat says, if you dont like it, thats your problem. I smile at Ronald's poster, perpetual grin behind the pissed-off, fly-girl cashier I love. The challenge for me in grad school was other peoples timelines. My whole life journey is pretty much to get back to my people, Jackson said. The poetry was from Hayes' book American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin.[11]. SHAPIRO: Tess Taylor sharing Terrance Hayes's new collection called "American Sonnets From My Past And Future Assassin." I was just at one on page 37, and it ends in the middle of an interstate rest stop parking lot. They sometimes say, Theres all this new work, and youre still trying to make us read these old white dudes from the canon. Last year at Yale, some students protested, saying, Why do we have to read all these white guys? to see him on the basketball court. I would not want to do thatalthough maybe I will when Im eighty. JW: Is there a tension between form or aesthetic value and identity? What's going on here? I feel like this is true in the poetry process. In the lines from Howl that, I suspect, Hayes has in mind, you can see how blackness is used as a prop. He was a Yankee and he was generally bored and impatient with everything about the South, but he liked me and he thought I was special. For decades, Oregon and Louisiana were the only states that allowed felony convictions by split jury votes. He calls his mother every morning. Certainly, after enough books and enough acknowledgments, are you still comfortable with failing? JW: Do you think its because you had an anomalous path coming into poetry? Assassin, you are a mystery/To me, I say to my reflection sometimes, Hayes writes, acknowledging the part anyone plays in his own existential undoing. Every poem is a sonnet, and every sonnet is titled: "American Sonnet for my Past and Future Assassin.". The case, Edwards v. Vannoy, argued Dec. 2, centers on Louisiana man Thedrick Edwards, who was convicted by a nonunanimous jury of several counts of armed robbery, attempted armed robbery, aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape. The former Presidents political and legal challenges are mounting, even as some polls indicate that he still has a lot of support among Republicans. Terrance Hayes is probably the most innovative poet addressing the complexities of race in America today. You cantGrasp your own hustle, your blackness, you cant graspYour own pussy, your black pussy dies for touch. Hayes said hes disappointed in Rosenblums decision to wait, especially with her being the judge that oversaw his case 16 years before. Im going to starve if I dont eat it, but if I dont eat it, neither should you. This figure of something violent keeps moving around this collection, and it doesn't stick to any one thing. Thats Wallace Stevens or T.S. The "Racket of ascension" is emblematic of the social progress that results in the upgrading of one's social rank. Terrance Hayes. I dont necessarily have to commit to one circle, even though I feel people pulling me, Be on my team, be on my team! and Im not sure if I want to be only in your part of the house. TH: Id majored in fine arts, and Id been encouraged as a painter for a long time, since third grade when I started in the art club, so I always thought that was something I could do. Ive been talking for a year about this poem that I started in 2009, and in 2013 I printed it out and it was 244 pages. What does it mean to say only certain people? Tacuma Jackson, 46, is shown with his three granddaughters. And I think that that - this relentless title comes back to the relentlessness of, you know, the American racism that we live with. It was sort of like Walter Benjamins Arcades Project, but it wasnt working and it wasnt good, so I stopped and finished How to be Drawn. I read To Autumn by Keats, and I was like, This is blowing my mind! I could just write a poem for the fun of it, but Id spent all this time as a painter, and my art teacher, whos also passed away now, Kim Chalmers, certainly encouraged me. watch your mouth is little more. The girls are eager to transform him with a kiss; the boys eager In his poems, in which he occasionally invents formal constraints, Hayes considers themes of popular culture, race, music, and masculinity. But students often dont want that; they want a strategy for how to make it in the academy. For me, that wouldnt be enough. Its always what I go back to, and everything is filtered through that. [7] He won the National Book Award for Lighthead[1] (in which he invented the "golden shovel" poetic form). Are existential jambalaya. Perhaps easier to fathom is the notion that Hayes has so internalized the threat of execution that he sees his assassin in the mirror. Students should be able to bring us the now, and we should be able to bring them the research and the history, and then that middle ground is what the academy is. The desire to want to feed people is not a bad desire. Every time Im flying out of Pittsburgh, I see your picture in the airport, with Pitt advertising, Come study with a genius. How do you feel about your position? He is known for his collections American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassins and To Float In The Space Between. Like a coin toss that keeps coming up heads, iterated titles suggest an occult lucky streak bound to break. In the second and third books, Hip Logic and Wind in a Box, youre experimenting more with form, whether it be the sonnet or other patterns of repetition. The thing that limits people sometimes is that, at a certain age, they start to say, This is what I do.. With success, you get encouraged to think, Im so special that people will just watch me be me. So when Pacino starts being himself in his movies and stops acting, people accept that and say, Oh, its Al Pacino! Eat something else. But does that mean Im only making black-eyed peas and collard greens? Sometimes he uses sonnets to stump the reader: This word can be the difference between knowing/And thinking. There are people who have achieved more than I have, like Nobel laureates in literature, but still, theres no guarantee. To avoid confusion across jurisdictions in Oregon, post-conviction relief proceedings should be consistent across the state to avoid confusion and future litigation.. Then last summer, in 2015, I pulled it out again, and I was like, Okay, Im going to get these pages down to sixty pages. Depending on what space Im in, depending on what kind of water Im in, people see me in very different ways. To go back to your point about the later books, in Lighthead, the first poem begins with a line, I could never get the hang of Time, and the epigraph is a Borges quote from A New Refutation of Time. At some point I realized, even more than fatherhood, even more than parents, even more than race, the thing Im really obsessed with is measuring time. "[7], In September 2014, he was honored as one of the 21 2014 fellows of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. Why only Shakespeare, when theres this other stuff thats happening? A security guard fetches the tear- [1] You can read Toni Morrison and still read Shakespeare. But then there is that other part of me that walks up the street and watches CNN and hears stories, and it is true that I inhabit this world and want to respond to that. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. When I think about the Black Arts poets, people like Baraka, who I knew and hung out with, or Sonia Sanchez, to me the great tragedy is that theres this wall because theyre interested in blackness and uplift and a certain kind of identity, but I get no sense through their work of their personality. Both of those are equally romantic and equally problematic. Its a petition that can be submitted in civil court even after someone has exhausted criminal court options. Terrance Hayes is a dazzlingly original poet, interested in adventurous explorations of subject and form. It was my first time hearing it. Could you do community workshops? Hayes was surprised at the Ramos ruling, having had little faith in the countrys criminal justice system. But clearly the cool-blooded Amphibian-American does not agree. In the Ramos case, three dissenting justices were concerned that states could face a potential tsunami of litigation if all active cases with nonunanimous jury convictions were invalidated. That figure is just moving around. By Dan Chiasson. Emphasizing the necessity for African American people to adapt to the unfair standards of modern American society, Hayes demonstrates the struggles that vulnerable racial minorities have to suffer in order to gain a semblance of hope in advancing in the social hierarchy. JW: Related to art, theres been a lot of critical writing about postmodernism and different kinds of theories, and you mentioned Benjamin. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. He is very much interested in what it means to be an artist and a black man. That is what I value in a workshop. I wish I were as tolerant as Walt Whitman, Hayes wrote in a poem from an earlier volume, but I want to be a storm covering a Confederate parade. Whitmans freedom to waltz across the battlefield like a song does not exist for a black poet in America. Instead, Rosenblum is choosing to litigate these post-conviction relief cases in civil court until the Oregon Supreme Court delivers a ruling on whether Ramos applies to past cases. On May 27, 1999, 22-year-old Terrence Haynes was standing on the porch of a friend, Gary Hammond Jr., in Kankakee, Illinois, when 18-year-old Cezaire Murrell walked up the sidewalk, shoved a man out of the way, and came onto the porch to confront Haynes. Then Toi, it just so happened, was reading in South Carolina around the time I was thinking, Can I really do this? and I went to the reading and met her, and I decided I was going to. How did you win this? And I say, I didnt predict any of this. With each book, I think every poem is the last poem, every book is the last book. How would you characterize your writing? Because I was lucky enough to get a scholarship, my parents didnt feel compelled to tell me what to do. Since then, he's won a huge number of literary prizes, including a MacArthur Foundation fellowship. The poet also received a MacArthur fellowship in 2014 as. Currently a MacArthur Fellow, Hayes synthesizes disparate elements in his work: classical forms like the sonnet; popular culture references from hip-hop to Scooby-Doo; comments on race, especially African-American experience; modes such as the Japanese business presentation slide series pecha kucha; and reflections on fatherhood and family. His own attempt to cook for the first time again hes embarrassed to say resulted in a burnt grilled cheese sandwich. So maybe thats a form of ambivalence. So for basketball scholarships, it was going to be D-II or D-III, and I thought that was the only way I was going to go to school. But it so happens that theres something in his music that can be of interest to how we workespecially to a room of writers or people who think about language and literature. His 2010 collection, Lighthead, won the National Book Award for Poetry in 2010. Thats my attitude in the workshop, too. But I dont think thats always true for other people. The last poem in Hip Logic, The Same City, is about my stepdad and about the way I appreciate this man whos raised me. TH: Me too, because theres too much affect in the fiction. Jackson said he was immediately upset when he learned of Rosenblums objection to allowing Ramos type cases to be retried, especially her statement on the potential impacts on the states legal system. It seems like, at midcentury, whatever limitations they had, they had a common idea of literature, which probably valued highbrow modernism, whereas now its much more disparate and up for grabs. Where theres an experience, Im thinking: Is this going to be converted to a lyric moment? It's really inventive, right? SHAPIRO: The most striking thing about this book when you open it up is that each poem has the same title. TH: The thing that I appreciate with an undergrad is the freedom of writing and not connecting that to professional aspirations. Im someone who wants to experiment and play and see what happens, because itll be new no matter what it is, which is probably why I cant write a novel. A little bit of reading, talking to some people about art and how art worksthose are things I know work for basic stimulation. So for someone to say this is your audience and you have to give people the thing theyll really eat, Im saying you dont know what peoples capacity is. Ive always had a sense of moving into spaces where I felt a little bit different. But you have to know what kids are responding to. It was because I couldnt afford a twelve-by-twelve canvas for each of the pieces. For my poetry, I havent had the prize that makes me feel like Im secure and dont need to write another good poem. And then there are poems that are really - what's the word I want? I had another poem about my father working in the yard called The Earth God, and I worked on it for about two years. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Since this means there will be no classes for the rest I dont think Ashbery thinks that. Maybe theyll like caviar, maybe youll like octopus. the afternoon came evening's bell. The editors discuss two poems by Terrance Hayes called "American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assassin" from the September 2017 issue of Poetry. If I dont do something about this, then they still have to deal with all the stigmas that come with a father with a violent history, he said. That poem is also a conversation about whether you have to choose a side. Because I wasnt in a class and didnt have to turn it in at the end of the week and revise it and turn it in again in a portfolio at the end of the semester, I could just work. When I got in, the joy of college was my teachers. Activists point to New Orleans District Attorney Jason Williams, who opted not to wait for a court ruling on retroactivity. I mean, what does he accomplish by doing this? His punk-baroque verse is a brilliant protest of abstract authority. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. He and his wife, Sanoba Hayes, traveled across the country reconnecting with family members when he first came home in 2016. Or maybe they wont. I like a little sea bass, too, or a little halibut. And SHAPIRO: We should tell people that Terrance Hayes is a black poet, and blackness - and maleness comes up a lot in these poems. Hayess talkative poems are, in fact, a form of thinking, fuelled by opposing impulses and contradictory ideas. Then it was three years, and I was done. Im not sure how to hold my face when I dance, he writes: In an expression of determination or euphoria?. But his felony excludes him from better-paying federal contracts, he said. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. I didnt know a poem could do that. I continually want to make the last poem more interesting. TH: Right, Intro to Creative Writing. Since this means there will be no classes for the rest of the day, the children dump their school gear in their lockers & hustle to the windows to stare. Who those people are, I dont really think too much about that. Employing an almost improvisational approach to writing, Hayes conjoins fluid, often humorous wordplay with references to popular culture both past and present in his subversion of . Williams in late February moved to have convictions overturned for 22 people convicted of felonies by nonunanimous juries, and he has plans to review hundreds more. Either youve been born into wealth, or youre down-and-out in the gutter, like Charles Bukowski, doing terrible jobs? I am interested in whether youll like it or not, but if you say, I like your steak but dont like the beans, all right, eat the steak, and dont eat the beans. Its like your grandfather worked every day at the mill, but you never knew what his favorite color was, or what cruel thing his mother said to him when he was ten years old. TH: Most workshops are set up around strategy, but theyre not set up around failure. JW: So your obligation is to ask questions? And yet: You would be more beautiful without your fear.. JW: What was it like when you were in grad school? My skepticism around strategy is that it doesnt have room for failure. My default answer to just about everything in the world is, Man, Im just going to go write a poem. When things get rough, whether its grading student papers or paying the bills or a fight with my wife, my default answer is to write a poem and just forget about all of it. Its important that new things can show up, as opposed to things that shut doors and segregate people. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. 2023 Cond Nast. But countless defendants in Oregon have been convicted by a nonunanimous jury since the 1934 law was enacted and received their final judgment which means their cases and sentences were final. Sometimes it seems like the New York School, but at other times, its very different. "You belong in our swamps not our schools!" The Criminal Justice Reform Clinic gathered racial data from public records on the group of people who have filed relief petitions asking for the Supreme Court ruling to apply to them as of late January. And the poem opens out into this big question - define life. Its twenty seconds for each stanza, and Im trying to create out of these twenty-second lyric bursts a narrative that holds together. Hayes is working to rebuild relationships strained by his decade-long absence. My sense is that the synthesis is what the university can do. The conviction obstructs him in other ways. But if I dont know that, then the poem will also be about that; it will be about not knowing. Thats a better way of being an artist to me; thats a more interesting artist who doesnt know and is pursuing an answer versus an artist who does know. He fears a more immediate kind of danger, which cant be aestheticized or glorified in verse. To go back the other way, when Im talking to someone whos sixty-five, and Im making a reference to Future and saying its a song about strip clubs, Im still saying its interesting. Could you run a press? JW: College was pivotal for you, and you work in a university. Sometimes they seem eclecticwith references from pop culture to high artbut your motivation is toward synthesis. Thats the Stephen King end of things. Its a great meal, and maybe youre a terrific eater, so they watch and wow, those noodles look delicious. Are you making a landscape or a figure drawing when you put the puzzle together? JW: There are more than four hundred creative writing programs in the United States. I would say, first, thats who I am. So suddenly, it's as if he himself is the assassin. The assassin takes many shapes: a stinkbug, the gang that lynched Emmett Till, a bunch of white girls posing for selfies, Donald Trump, and, unsettlingly, Hayess own reflection. But I have no nose, no mouth, so you tell me what's good, what's god, what's funky. Im interested in Shakespeare, but especially how Shakespeare is in conversation with Scooby-Doo or The Walking Dead. Its the right thing to do; we shouldnt wait for a court ruling to do this, association legislative director Mae Lee Browning told The Oregonian/OregonLive. Hayess sonnets emerge out of a sense of peril, and the evasiveness and protectiveness it requires. The defendant can claim a constitutional violation occurred during the trial in this case, Jackson and his attorney would argue Ramos applies to him, which could grant him a retrial. I could talk to myself in a room and come up with something, but I wouldnt want to only do only that. For this latest collection, he made one big choice at the outset: all the sonnets share the same title, American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assassin. This repetition is superstitious, a tribute paid to the imagined assassin, as if the poems can buy back time in fourteen-line reprieves. In all of his work, five poetry collections to date, he ferociously unearths the layers of racist thinking and its harmful effects, often using the poem's form as his tool. Witnessing the struggle for freedom, from the American Revolution to the Black Lives Matter movement. They want Rosenblum to give them that chance. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). Im not that interested in anything other than making something, playing with something, and it doesnt have to be anything other than poetry. from Coker University and an M.F.A. I thought, maybe Ill teach, and if I didnt teach, maybe Ill go work in the prison. So why would I have to segregate them? Sign up for the Books & Fiction newsletter. But Im still trying to get people to the table. (Im one of the few people I know of in my cohort that doesnt do social media. This is not the first time Rosenblum has stood in the way of striking down nonunanimous jury verdicts in Oregon. Some of them want that, but they dont know what it looks like or know enough about the template for becoming a successful writer, so they wind up writing really interesting things all the time. And theres a lot of ways to choose a side. I want to be writing about something; I want to have a subject like novels can, capturing a whole world. When I stop by McDonalds for a cheeseburger, no one suspects what I am. And how should I look at my partner: in her eyesOr at her body? I just try to be transparent and very present, and then see what happens. Terrance Hayes is the author of Wind in a Box (Penguin 2006), Hip Logic (Penguin 2002) and Muscular Music (Carnegie Mellon University Contemporary Classics, 2005 and Tia Chucha Press, 1999). Its powerful because its not an invective so much as a diagnosis. I dont know how many people know this, but I was on ESPN for the National Scholastic Indoor Track and Field Championships. You come from a small town in South Carolina and went to college because you had a basketball scholarship. On the one hand, it seems like your career was accidental. whether the poem speaks of #devastation or #hope whether it happens #before or #after The joke in my classes and in my household is that I am always timing and measuring everything. Should I mirror the rhythm of her hips,Or should I take the lead? The New York School poets are interesting to me for their immediacy; New York School culture is about being present and being in the moment. In Wind in a Box, I decided the only way to get into a poem was as a puzzle that was going to come together, so the great revelation was all the boxes in the book. TH: Thats an interesting question. In your most recent work, in books like How to be Drawn, you have poems like Gentle Measures where youre figuring yourself out and thinking about fatherhood. (Courtesy of Lynn James-Jackson), POST-CONVICTION RELIEF: CHANCE FOR RETRIAL. You have to be adaptable. Whats going to be left out? Many landlords wouldnt rent to him as an ex-felon. The standard bohemian listeners are like the angelheaded hipsters in Allen Ginsbergs Howl. They dream of melodramatic self-destructionjumping/Through windowswhile the culture around them works to extinguish black artistry. frog waiting patiently at the front gate. Those arent academic poems. . Its not necessarily thesis and antithesis, but several things that you might bring together. "Hayes's fourth book puts. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. TH: The most basic one is Hegel and the dialectic. TH: The thing that is always a challenge from one poem to the next is managing time. This makes the work morally ambiguous in ways some readers will resist: I suspect that not everybody will recognize blackness as any part, even a rejected part, of Trump, a man whose loathing of black people seems unabashed. But the big challenge was other people trying to tell me how to fix the poems. There never was a black male hysteria, a poem about Emmett Till begins, because a fret of white men drove you crazy/Or a clutch of goons drove you through Money,/Stole your money, paid you money, stole it again. In Money, Mississippi, where Till was lynched, Hayes finds in miniature the economic formula that has been scaled up successfully across America: black men are paid with money stolen from their ancestors, only to have it again taken away from them. Presiding Judge Ellen Rosenblum sentenced him to more than 12 years in prison. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. Bridging those things is my natural way of thinking, and I think of that as a collage. Convicted of robbery, kidnapping and burglary by 11-1 and 10-2 jury votes, he was sentenced to 34 years in prison. Then I stood them up, and I had a grid of images. out of the ring of fire around. In his five books, he has perfected a sort of poem where wild jams carom inside arbitrary formal boundaries. 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